The Lonely Goatherd Blog

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats - Matthew 25:32




Up to the minute notes on the current state of free thinking and free living: Kentucky moonshine - original analysis and reporting from MoreThings, and all round pop culture museum of sight and sound - photo galleries, mp3 and video downloads.

Al Barger and MoreThings - getting people's goats since 1998.

Live free or die!


----

I stand with Israel


Al Barger's Boutique Gift Shop

I wouldn't want to ask people to just give me money cause they like my website, but do please take a quick look at Barger's Boutique. You might find yourself a little something-something for 2 or 3 bucks that you just can't resist! Any of the round images you find around MoreThings will get you to an Amazon page to buy my stuff and help ol' Al keep the lights on.
Muhammed, Mohammed blasphemous image
Jesus and Doubting Thomas
Sammy Davis Jr with Archie Bunker on All in the Family



More Things


MoreThings Home


Goatherd Blog Home



Music Sustains the Soul

Video Fan

God and Country

Free MP3 Downloads

Free Video and Movie Downloads

Barger for Senate archive

Holla Back!


If you're testing God and lying to his face, you're going to catch hell. - Jack White



What's a libertarian?








Links
To explicitly state the obvious, these external links go to interesting and provocative websites, but they speak for themselves. I don't necessarily agree with anything they say - especially that no-goodnik Richard Marcus.
*************





Ruvy's Roost

Bad Eagle

Mark Steyn

Kole Hard Facts of Life

Richard Marcus - Beady Eyed Lyin' Canadian

Buckdog

Samizdata

The Memory Hole

Rate a cop



All original content on MoreThings.com copyright 2008 Albert Barger or the respective authors


February 28, 2004

 

Did Jesus exist?
Jesus may or may not have ever existed. I consider this an open question. Obviously there's no reasonable basis for claiming that he was God. He may, however, have lived as a common itinerant preacher.

There seems to be scant evidence of his existence. At least with Santa Claus, we know there really was a Saint Nicholas on whom all the later wild stories are based. We can't be so sure with Jesus.

There seems to have been little or no mention of Jesus at the time. The Biblical texts seem to be the only "contemporary" mentions of Jesus. At that, "contemporary" seems to be pushing the point of credibility, as the Biblical gospels appear to have been written somewhere around a century after the supposed time of Jesus.

Given this paucity of documentation, some Christian scholars put a great deal of stock in a passage from Josephus, a Jewish historian who wrote Jewish Antiquities. [ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT] [ENGLISH TEXT]

Here is the complete Josephus passage, the only near contemporary supposed reference to Jesus I've found:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
- Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3


From what I was ever able to make of it, the Josephus reference looks like an obvious fraud, inserted by some Christian long after the fact.

Josephus wrote a long and exhaustive history of the Jews, yet Jesus gets just this one paragraph. In one quick paragraph in the middle of a thousand pages we come up with something to the effect of, 'oh and there was this guy Jesus who was the son of God come to save humanity, was crucified and rose from the dead.' Then it was on to the next thing.

If this were REALLY part of Josephus' book, he'd have had more than one paragraph. If he thought Jesus was the savior, he'd have come up with more than one paragraph. It doesn't fit in or add up with the rest of the book. Thus, the conclusion that this was a forgery inserted into the document perhaps centuries later.

So far as I know, this spurious Josephus reference is the only near contemporary reference to Jesus outside of the Bible itself.

Thus, I continue to doubt not just the divinity of Jesus, but the actual historical existence of even a mortal man corresponding to the mythology.

Labels: ,



posted by Al at 2/28/2004 09:24:00 PM

Link Soup
morethings master photo gallery index boutique MP3 new album releases lyrics sammy davis shirley temple photos little richard photos buddy holly pictures fats domino images chuck berry pictures Jesus pictures leann rimes 24 lucille ball images clint eastwood pictures lena horne images beach boys janis joplin images team america pictures robert mitchum photos bruce springsteen pictures bugs bunny pictures mariah carey pictures ann coulter photos loretta lynn pictures kanye west images beatles pictures white stripes pictures andy griffith pictures kill bill pictures beverly hillbillies pictures michael jackson robin williams frank zappa pictures jerry lee lewis pictures richard pryor photos june carter johnny cash pictures u2 photos four seasons images james cagney images pulp fiction pics snoop dogg elvis presley pictures dolly parton pictures olsen twins photos brandy cheech&chong tori amos pictures David Bowie photos roger rabbit reese witherspoon pictures rolling stones photos fiona apple images kim novak images ray charles photos marx brothers pictures prince rogers nelson pictures blazing saddles images steve martin eddie murphy photos aretha franklin photos south park  pictures homer simpson images bob dylan pictures elizabeth taylor photos alice in wonderland pictures madonna images saturday night live pictures jewel kilcher photos willie nelson images india.arie pics lynyrd skynyrd hee haw pictures james brown images pete townshend photos tina turner pictures dixie chicks photos bill murray pictures elton john images emmylou harris images in living color pictures guns n roses pictures jodie foster photos eminem frank sinatra photos van halen images satan blondie photos merle haggard images rocky horror pictures monty python martin luther king watchmen pictures sarah palin